Written by Christopher Kelly
Nov. 3, 2016
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Julia: Hello and welcome to the Nourish Balance Thrive Podcast. Surprise! Your host today, Julie Kelly in for Christopher Kelly. He thought that it would be a great idea for me to do this interview as I am the chief, the CCO of our house, the Chief Cooking Officer of our house and also the Chief Coaching Officer, Nutritional Coaching Officer of our business and today I am joined by two wonderful women who I respect immensely, Angie Alt and Mickey Trescott are here today to talk about, among other things, their new beautiful book, The Auto-Immune Wellness Handbook. Welcome guys.
Mickey: Hey, thanks for having us on.
Angela: Yeah, thanks for having us we’re excited to be here.
Julia: It’s wonderful you know the first thing that always comes to mind whenever I review or look at a new resource for auto immune paleo is I just immediately get transported back to when Chris and I were starting this whole thing, when he was still really sick and he had just come home from the gastroenterologist who basically gave him two options: I can put you on steroids or we can do a colonoscopy and you know try to give you a different diagnosis if you want to do some other kind of treatment and Chris came home and told me that and I was like, there has to be another way and so I mean I just said, did they even ask what you were eating and he said no.
So I was like, OK that’s it, we’re going a different route and I just started kind of digging around and at that time there was maybe, and this was four, four and a half years ago now, there was, I found Sarah Valentine’s site, the paleo mom and shortly after that Mickey, I think we met you and found, you were just writing your first book and so it was just kind of this like tiny community of people just starting to talk about this stuff. So now looking at this beautiful book that you guys have written I’m just so relieved for people. What was it that had you guys set out to write this book in particular because it is different? I’ll let you tell me why it’s different and why you guys set out to write this book particularly.
Mickey: Yeah, so this is Mickey here and I’ll start. Actually, I think the opportunity for the book started because Angie and I started to merge. So back when that tiny little community was just kind of starting Angie and I were both blogging about our personal experiences and a couple years in we had developed this deep friendship and kind of working relationship and we kind of went to each other and were like, hey I’m kinda over here doing the Facebook, social media, newsletter, rat race and so are you, what if we combined forces and kind of put our best work forward but collaborate so that we can kinda achieve a bigger vision with our website and what we’re offering the community.
And so we did this blog merge and we became partner and we launched the new autoimmunepaleo.com, that’s what we were working on when we were approached by a publisher who actually requested that we write a book for them and the book they wanted us to write was a cookbook with meal plans and recipes and we were like, that’s great except there are now six cookbooks and recipes and actually we believe that we have a deeper mission with what we’re trying to accomplish trying to share information about auto-immune healing and it’s not just about foods, so would you guys be open to hearing a proposal for another book? And so that’s when Angie and I, we hadn’t really thought, oh yeah we’re totally gonna write a book together but when we had that connection we went, oh this is a really good opportunity, the publisher is Rowgale which is a great publisher in the wellness space and we sat down and put our thinking caps on and really created this vision we wanted to create and they loved it.
Julia: Wow, that’s cool. I was gonna ask how the website came about because it’s definitely one of my favorite resources to point people that I work with to when they’re just starting out with AIP because the resources that you guys have put together and I think it was a brilliant idea to come together because you just kind of bring a lot to the table as a group, you guys are both dynamos in your own rite but to come together is a really fabulous resource I love sharing it with people. But who is this book aimed at because, do you think it’s for everyone starting AIP, do you think it’s more for people who are a little bit savvy with AIP, maybe they’re heard it before or they’ve done it. Who do you think this book really speaks to?
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Angela: Our hope is that our familiar community that’s already familiar with AIP will find some things valuable here, hopefully little pieces of resources in there that make it easier for them but we hope that it’s laid out in a way that it’s really approachable for somebody who’s brand new, somebody who maybe just got diagnosed with an auto immune disease or maybe doesn’t even have a diagnosis, maybe they’re just suspecting that that’s what’s wrong but it’s laid out in a way that makes it so much more realistic and achievable for them to try this method of healing, it’s what we wished we would’ve had when we got diagnosed.
Julia: Yeah and can you guys walk us through this a little bit because it is not just about the food and I think that’s really important and one of the things I liked about this book specifically was that food was almost secondary to all of the other things that come along with what you need to do, the changes you need to make and the things you need to consider when you’re going to try to take on this kind of holistic approach to healing whether you have a specific auto immune condition like you said or you’re using this as a healing diet because I know we’re working with a lot of athletes specifically so in terms of athletes who are high performance they’re training constantly really hard so they’ve got this issue where they’ve got a compromised gut because they’re constantly changing the blood flow to their stomach during their high intensity training and their gut permeability is altered and so we use AIP a lot in our practice and we find AIP really useful as a healing diet and not forever but to jump start their healing process. So what are some of the other things that people have to consider? What do people often miss when starting AIP?
Mickey: Yeah so this is an awesome question, I’m so happy you addressed it Julie but you know you’ll notice there are several chapters or steps in our book and only one of them is food so when we sat down to write we were thinking what are all the areas people should address and then we’ll create chapters for each one and we were kind of having a long time figuring out what to call the chapters and how to organize it and Angie had this incredible dream where she had all of these verbs to really signify which actions you’ll be taking on each step of the process so the seven steps are inform, collaborate, nourish, rest, breath, move, and connect.
And so nourish is the chapter about food and it’s the longest chapter to be honest but we have these six other chapters that talk about all the other things that we’ve found are really helpful for healing auto immune disease so starting with inform that’s just learning about your condition, learning about the testing, the treatment, the prognosis, if you don’t have a diagnosis why having one is really important, how to get that diagnosis, these are things that a lot of people especially those that have been suffering for a very long time without a diagnosis have a hard time with because they need to be able to decide when to move forward with that medical piece and when to continue seeking a diagnosis or when to decide, I guess I’m gonna try to make some changes on my own and see where that gets me. But all of that information is really important to guide wherever you’re going. Do you want to talk about collaborate, Angie?
Angela: Yeah so the collaborate stuff is kind of it’s a really tricky piece right and I’m sure this is true even for the very serious athletes in your audience who know they need some support but they’re not sure where to go about it, it’s all about forming a healthcare team around you who are going to be the key players on that team, who are the support players, the process of actually putting that together because Mickey and I are definitely not putting forward a message that it’s food only, natural methods only, we think a smart approach is a combination of the best of traditional healthcare and the natural stuff that you can take on your own. So collaborate is all about trying to build that team, again really reflective of how much trial and error we went through personally and if we had that a little more laid out for ourselves it might’ve been a little bit of a less painful process.
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Julia: Yeah, gosh, Chris and I talk about this all the time in that we just got really lucky, there’s lot of places when you’re sick and looking for answers, there’s lots of places you can start, you just start Googling and you find something and you start and you try, and I think a lot of times if you start with the food you can make pretty good headway if you just cut a few things out, then slowly you can plateau and you find that you can get stuck there easily so having this other information and building a team I think is such an important point and that’s actually one of my most highlighted chapters that I like. I really love that you guy’s outlined that because I think you’re right, that is one of the most tricky things is, who can I go to for help?
Especially because we find a lot of people come to us because they’ve really struggled with their primary care physician so they’re having to do a lot more legwork and find people that can help them and put a team together so I think that’s an extremely useful chapter and such a great way of thinking about your health which is one of the things we always try to do is empower people to own their wellness again because I think in today’s society we’ve all, not all of us, clearly we’ve been through this already but, a lot of people come to us and are just realizing that you can’t outsource your health, you can’t think of it like oh I’m ill I’ll just go to the doctor and they make me well, you own your health and your health is part of you. I’ll let you get back to the steps in a second but building this team, where do you think people struggle when they’re trying to, what’s a big stumbling block in this section?
Angela: Yeah I think the biggest is just realizing what a primary need for care is with their particular auto-immune disease so like I have Hosemoto’s disease and I really need thyroid medication and knowing that, it’s hard for people that want to go see a therapist or health coach, so just realizing the basic need of your disease a lot of people get lost in, well maybe if I find a functional medicine practitioner or a chiropractor or these people who advertise their services as auto-immune friendly which there are many practitioners out there but if those practitioners can’t give them a very basic need, they might to kind of divide and conquer, they may need to have the MD that prescribes the medication and also loop in this functional medicine person that’s helping with other stuff.
So what we’ve done in our book is really giving people a breakdown of all these different medical specialties and licenses and different types of practitioners just so that people can understand the different areas that they can find support and where they should start. And I always encourage people to start with a basic need like for me my thyroid hormone, I love having my functional medicine people on my team but those aren’t the people that can actually prescribe me that medication that my body needs and so I have to have an MD on my team, so yeah we talked a lot about that.
Mickey: And I think to add to it Julie what you touched on just a minute ago, I think the other big stumbling block in this area is taking the lead, people don’t realize that the hard truth is you have to be the one responsible for leading your healthcare team. You’re gonna be the one who’s gonna coordinate the communication, you’re the one who’s gonna do the legwork and interview those providers and find the right matches for you and you gotta own it.
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Julia: Yeah, I think that’s hugely important I mean that’s one of the ways that we decide in our practice who we’re gonna work with because I can’t, what happens when our protocol is over and our program is done? If you’re just going to go back to the beginning and you’re not going to carry this forward then it’s not sustainable and it’s not going to be good for me and it’s not going to be good for you so really making sure that the people that we take on are ready and able to come to the table to learn and to grow and become that kind of leader of their own healthcare team or wellness team or whatever you wanna call it. That is just so hugely important but I don’t want to get too off track here because we’re going to get too involved in each of these little nuances.
So the next chapter is nourish which I’ll hand it back over to you but, one of the things I find most difficult working with people, getting them started on AIP is I work with a lot of type A people who are like, oh I’ll start it on Monday and I’m always like, OK I want you to start it like two or three weeks from now, put it on the calendar, your start date and in the mean time I want you to spend your time on reading, understanding, checking out these resources. How do you breakdown nourish for people so that they understand the complexity and the, I don’t even know the right word, understand AIP in a way that they’re going to make full use of their time doing AIP because I’m always worried that people are going to start and not get the most out of it. So how does this nourish chapter break it down for people to kind of, baptize them in AIP if you will? [laughs]
Angela: Do you want to tackle that one Mickey?
Mickey: Sure, yeah, so I really think that we’ve broken it down in a way that gives people a lot of options, I think when people look at the Auto-Immune Protocol they like to see the black and white list of yes and no and I have to do it this way but in reality there’s many different ways to arrive there and so we have options for the people who want to rip off the Band-Aid, do it tomorrow kind of approach, and we also have a slow transition guide which is more like what you’re suggesting, Julie, that you do with your clients which is to take five or six weeks to gradually dip their toes in the water and start develop some skills in meal planning and preparation and really taking time to see. It’s just very hard for people in three days understand the concepts of Auto-Immune Protocol and do it so that’s not to say some people haven’t done it before but we like to give options for people. There’s all kinds of reasons why people wouldn’t be able to just jump into the Auto-Immune Protocol and we want to respect people where they’re at and what they’re capable of and realize that a step in the right direction is better than no step at all.
Angela: Yeah better is better.
Julia: Yeah that’s important to remember I think just because of the nature of the people I tend to work with are all or nothing, kind of jump in with both feet kind of people that they’re almost like hard on themselves that they should be able to accomplish this thing very quickly and so it’s good that there’s options in there because I think that opens people’s eyes to the fact that there’s more than one way to skin a cat so to speak so that you can really customize this to fit where you are. I don’t want to spend a lot of time talking about the food though because I think that’s something that people just, they know they’re going to be prepared for, I think some of these other chapters in this book are what people need to be focused on more. So what comes after nourish what’s the next step?
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Angela: The next step, the next chapter in the book is move so this chapter is dedicated to movement and tackling that from the auto immune perspective like you were talking about the athletes you’re working with and if someone has a full blown auto immune disease they may find that where they’re at on that movement spectrum needs to change at least temporarily to help with healing and doing it too much or too little is a very fine line and that can be a hard balance to strike with auto immune disease. I’ve had clients that are both underdoing it and overdoing it and it’s negatively impacted their auto immune disease and you know Mickey and I have had our own journeys in this area of wellness as well. One thing we really focus on in this chapter is a walking routine as being a great ideal for those with auto immune disease, it kind of kills a couple birds with one stone and it’s just really easy to scale up over time, it’s a great starting point.
Julia: Yeah I think that’s really important and also in one of the areas where I think you might need support, like you might need to reach out to somebody and have them help you figure out what is the right amount of movement exercise for you given your current state. I think it consistently reinforces the point that your health isn’t static and your current condition isn’t static so you have to kinda make these decisions based on where you are right now and that’s something that I find people really struggle with is that they have this overarching goal in their mind of what they really want to achieve when they’re healthy. That’s one of the things I wrote down that I liked because I think that it reinforces that idea that you need to assess where you are right now and move accordingly, eat accordingly and form your team accordingly.
Mickey: Yeah I think one of our goals with the book was that it gives people enough well laid out information to hopefully restore a baseline much better than where they’re starting from but also going forward for the handbook to continue to be useful so that they can recognize that life with auto immune disease has a lot of ebb and flow and be able to use the guidance that’s there to kind of open up and live life to the fullest and have all those big goals when they’re in a great spot and be able to tighten everything down and restore their health when they’re in not so great of a spot.
Julia: Yeah it definitely has an air of recovery which is something we talk about a lot because that’s where in training and in athletics, that’s where your gains are made, your gains are made in recovery. Training is great but all of the benefit of that training is found in recovery and so I think that kind of, it has a nice parallel to what AIP is about as well, I think it’s about recovery and it’s not linear, there’s steps forward, there’s steps back, there can be flares, there can be setbacks and having this information to prepare you to tackle those are every step of the way I think is really great. I might be skipping here, what’s the next section ‘cause I had a specific point I wanted to make but I don’t want to skip ahead, so what was the next one it was move and then?
Mickey: So actually Angie’s the one who skipped, it’s actually nourish and then rest.
Angela: Sorry guys.
Julia: That’s OK.
Mickey: The first three steps are really sequential but the last four are kind of interpretive, would you agree, Angie?
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Angela: Yeah and I think people will see assessments in the last several chapters allow people to kind of zero into the areas where they need the most work that’s probably why I went here you guys, a Freudian slip because I need the most work and movement myself. You want to talk about rest?
Mickey: Yeah, so rest is the chapter about sleep and we put sleep after diet just because a lot of what we’re doing in our diet isn’t effective if we’re not sleeping optimally. We know that regeneration, restoration, all of these great things stem from getting great sleep and people with auto-immune disease seem to have some sort of trouble with sleep so insomnia is really common, trouble getting to sleep, trouble staying asleep for a long enough time, having sleep disrupted by pain is really common and so we wrote this chapter to basically help people to figure out which element of sleep they’re having issues with and then give them some information to get them to troubleshoot and get them better quality of sleep.
Julia: Yeah that’s huge, if you’re not sleeping everything else becomes very challenging but that’s also one of the first things if we can get people sleeping then everything else gets so much easier so it’s definitely an important point and I’m glad that it’s in there. One of my favorite sections in the book though that I think doesn’t get talk about enough is the connect section though, and maybe I’m skipping ahead now, did I skip one or are we back on track?
Angela: We missed breathe but you know sleep and breathe are pretty similar, about stress management and they really tie in a lot together because it’s hard to have one without the other but basically all of the things that we do to manage that stress are going to be super impactful to auto immune healing.
Julia: Yeah I like that you covered the different types of stress as well that’s important because I think people often zone in on one type of stress but not on the others.
Mickey: Yeah we love connect that’s what we want to talk about because that’s something that’s often overlooked so in our kind of daily, alternative, functional medicine scene, people are coming around to sleep and stress management and diet and that’s great but connection is one of those pieces is one of those things that is underappreciated in our community and realizing both connection with people and nature, people might think like that’s kind of out there how does that affect me as an auto immune person, it really does affect you there’s so much research that shows that people that have great support networks do better in their healing process and they’re so much more well-adjusted, healthy, and happier and people that get time in nature, the effect on the immune system is just incredibly mind-blowing, just being outside and being in the forest specifically, that’s what I researched for the book was the Japanese shinrin-yoku forest bathing how that impacts the immune system and that’s what we’re getting at, we’re trying to modulate our immune systems, we’re trying to get our bodies to chill out on this attack of itself and both of those things really impact it.
Julia: Yeah I love that, I was going to point that out, the new front page of your website that’s the seeking wellness and building community and I think community can mean so many different things but when you invoke nature and involving nature into your community I think needs to be more of a part of your community because unfortunately we’re very fortunate and I know where you live you’re very fortunate too and when you live in the forest and with nature it’s much easier to commune with it but unfortunately most people these days don’t have that luxury, they have to kind of make a manual effort to get in the car and go or put it on the calendar so the more we talk about it I think the better.
One of the other things I think we’ve talked about one the podcast before is social isolation and you guys can speak to this because you’ve been through auto immunity and chronic illness but people who are sick are often socially isolated and we know this can have huge effects, it’s like a negative feedback, it can have really negative effects on your health. What are some ways that you guys have found to be most effective for reaching out and building community and becoming less socially isolated especially when you’re suffering with chronic illness, even if it’s not full blown auto immune condition, you just hate irritable bowel syndrome and you’ve got debilitating feelings of pain or bloating but you don’t have a diagnosis, how do you reach out, how do you build community when you’re feeling so poorly?
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Angela: I mean I think Mickey and I would probably that looking for some community online and starting and not virtual space, you can’t replace real world relationships, not everything about your life can be virtual you have to have real life people there, people that you can hug, people that you can hang out with when you’re feeling down, whatever, but I think the online community for Mickey and I played a big role in the beginning. I had a really strong, real life support network, I was really lucky with that but try as they might most of the people in my real world didn’t know what I was going through with auto immune disease, they didn’t really understand it and reaching out to people online kind of, and that was the first time in my life that I had really considered that you could build relationships there but reaching out and doing it was dramatic.
It helped me so much and I run a program where I teach people over a six week period how to adopt the auto immune protocol and it’s all done online and when they first start, you know we first started on Monday at the most recent cycle and when they first start and they get into their groups and they meet all these other men and women who also have these diseases, many of them have the same diagnoses they’re just like shocked, you always see people commenting, oh my gosh I thought I was alone, I can’t believe this, it’s so nice to see all these other people. By the end, usually the thing that they are most grateful for in the process was this chance to connect with all these other people and they go on and continue supporting each other virtually. I know that first group that I ever taught is still in contact with each other.
Julia: Yeah I think that’s really powerful. I mean we’re finding that too when we work with somebody and they’re having these great results and they’re feeling really good, they want to share it somehow you know and I think their first thing is, oh maybe I need to become a practitioner too and help other people and we’re trying to find ways to give them opportunities to mentor other people in the program that are a little bit behind them so that they can share in their joy and help somebody else feel better and make it through the next phase of their protocol or their journey, yeah go ahead.
Angela: Yeah it’s a great space, a great chance to meet people. Mickey and I wouldn’t have this dynamo partnership without the online world right Mickey?
Mickey: Yeah, totally. We are a product of that initial connection online.
Julia: Yeah I don’t think that it can be said enough that reaching out and I know it can be difficult when you’re not feeling well or you’re feeling not particularly friendly when you’re not feeling well but just to know that there’s other people going through the same thing or have been through the same thing and can help steer you in the right direction and finding people that are similar to you as well that you align with. I know for us, with athletes it’s been really great is that they, a lot of times have been told that they can’t do the thing that they really love to do or that might be their livelihood because of whatever it is that they’re suffering with and so to hear my husband Chris talk about his story and how he’s been able to overcome a lot of stuff and manage a lot of stuff while still performing at a high level I think that goes to show it’s important to find your people because I think we’re lucky now there’s so many resources out there that it’s important to find the people that you align with and are going to continue to newly motivate you to keep going and move forward. Let’s talk about the last bit in the book or did we have one more chapter. Did I skip another one or did you skip?
Mickey: No, we got ‘em.
Julia: We got ‘em OK. So the last bit, the end, the resources, the exercise, some of those things, walk us through what’s back there because I thought that was a really great section.
Mickey: Yeah, so the first of the last two chapters is a recipe and meal planning chapter so even though the whole book isn’t a cookbook and it’s not just about food, we did include 30 of our favorite all new, so you won’t them in our other cookbooks or our blog auto-immune compliant recipes and we made a focus to do complete meal recipes so there’s no just protein and then a salad and things that you need to match and assemble together. Every meal is an entire meal as far as vegetables, fat, and protein. Most of them are one pot, most of them are very easy, most of the ingredients you can get at Walmart. We wanted it to be really accessible for people of course shopping local farmer’s market is great but we realize that there are plenty of people in parts of the country that really don’t have access to fancy ingredients or a Whole Foods or something like that so we made that a whole focus and then another thing was just that we wanted everything to be really quick and simple so that people would actually use the recipes so from that we created a meal plan for 30 days, a shopping list and everything for people that just want to follow a plan and get right to the food part. And then do you want to talk about the lifestyle guide Angie because you actually are responsible for that contribution.
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Angela: Yeah, so one of the things that we worked on was a three month long lifestyle plan that just shows people how to slowly but surely incorporate all those lifestyle aspects that we talked about, the stress management, the movement, making time for others and the natural, we realized probably from our work on our own lives but also with our clients that trying to kind of on-board all of that stuff into our busy modern lives is extremely overwhelming and any AIP long-termers will tell you the truth is the food is the least difficult of the process to be honest. And so we tried to work out a way that really intentionally and incrementally helps people get it all in there without like tomorrow you need to have four extra hours in your day to do all these lifestyle things, that’s actually really stressful and kind of defeats the purpose so we took this really slow and steady approach to helping people work it all in.
Julia: I think that’s huge and that’s definitely that I’m going to be pointing people to more because I think a lot of times it’s just what’s needed. Even if they don’t follow it specifically to just see it to understand. I think it’s so difficult in this virtual world and the way that we work with people that’s one of the things that’s missing is the ability to observe what someone else is doing and see it in action and understand that it’s doable and possible so I love that’s there even if it just serves as an example of, oh that’s what you mean when you say, that’s what these meals look like, that’s what’s putting it together in a meal plan for a week or a month, that’s what that looks like.
I think that’s one of the more difficult things is I can point people at recipes, I can point people at lots of different things but I can’t show up at their house and cook for them for a month and demonstrate everything that I know and I think that’s a blessing and a curse of this virtual world. We have lots of information at our fingertips but learning how to apply it to our needs can be really daunting and difficult so I think that’s a really addition to this book so kudos I think you guys did a really great job on this and hopefully everybody checks it out because I have an advance copy which is not in color which is a bummer because I can tell these photos are going to be really beautiful when they are in color. When’s the book and when can people find it and are you guys gonna do a tour? Can people come and meet you in person?
Mickey: Yeah, so the book comes out November 1st, 2016 so not too long now and it is available for pre-order so if you guys listen to this before November 1st, it’s on Amazon and Barnes and Noble and it’s really affordable it’s only like 15 bucks so hopefully we really wanted to create a book that people just wanted to use and throw in their bag and have a little handbook, not too big not too overwhelming. We are considering a book tour, we’re not sure yet so I would say, we’ll keep you guys posted on our social media we’re at autoimmunepaleo.com we’re hoping to do a little book tour.
Julia: But don’t kill yourselves over it. [laughs]
Angela: Yeah we’ll probably focus on a few key areas, it’s nice for Mickey and I to be able to get together and go see people though ‘cause we’re running a bi-coastal biz over here so we don’t get chances to be in the same place at the same time with our people very often.
Julia: Right, right, that’s good. I just hate to see these people write these wellness books and then burn themselves out doing.
Angela: It’s not going to be that way, we’ve had moments but we have not really had that experience writing this book and I think partially because we work with a publisher who works with such a long lead time I think in the beginning we were like, why does it take that long to write a book and how come you guys get this together to print but in hindsight now I realize all of these space has been really nice for us to really continue to practice what we preach and maintain healthy and happy and you know the book comes out in less than two months and I’m feeling relaxed and happy.
Julia: That’s how it should be, I’m proud of you for doing that because I think that’s so important to put that first and like you said practice what you preach, walk the walk. Well you guys this has been fabulous there’s lots of really good information in here, I can’t wait to start sending this to everybody that I work with I think it’s a fabulous guide and I think it’s going to help a lot of people so thank you for doing it, continue to do what you do. Anything else in the works, anything else you want people to know about or check out?
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Mickey: We have one thing we just started a podcast.
Julia: Oh yeah that’s right.
Mickey: A mentoring resource for the book. It’s called the Auto-Immune Wellness Podcast and you guys can find it by searching iTunes or through a link on our blog autoimmune-paleo.com but basically because we did create this handbook that is very concise, it’s not tiny but it’s small compared to a lot of other health books especially ones with lots of pictures and recipes and stuff. We weren’t really about to go in-depth about our personal healing stories and so we created this podcast as a way of going through all these chapters and tell our personal stories that we struggled with and how we overcame them. So it’s a great resource whether or not you have the book but it does kind of follow along with all those chapters and it’s just been a really fun thing for Angie and I to kinda be able to give you guys a little bit of a sneak peak on kinda how we dealt with all those elements.
Julia: That’s such a nice format too. I think it’s a nice change of pace when you’re used to doing a lot of writing and things like that I think the podcasts are a nice outlet, a nice change of pace.
Mickey: Very personal, people can really get to know you and I think Angie and I have really struggled with since healing and recovery it’s hard to put into words in the written form what we experienced and what we went through and people see us now and I think it’s really easy for them to assume that it was easy for us or it happened really quickly and they don’t really realize the five or six years of struggle and for some elements on-going struggles in some areas so that’s been really helpful to be able to share that in a meaningful way.
Julia: Yeah I think that’s really important and I think that people just always learn and attach and take away much more from a personal story than they do just written directions and prescriptions for what to do so I think that’s important. I think if you’re going to follow along with the book and use the book I would definitely recommend checking out the stories because I think they could be really powerful and another way of connecting which is something we’ve already talked about.
Mickey: Yeah, sure.
Julia: Awesome, well thank you guys so much for being with me and if you’re listening to this and you’re an athlete and you’re struggling and you’re not feeling well and you want to do some troubleshooting, get in touch and I will help you work your way through the auto wellness handbook and various other things. Thank you guys so much for being with me today and hopefully one of your book tour stops will be somewhere in northern California and I can see you both in person.
Angela: Thanks so much Julie.
Julia: Take care.
Mickey: Thank you.
Julia: Yeah, good luck you guys.
Mickey: Bye.
Julia: Bye.
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